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A dinner party with Education Secretary Margaret Spellings

 
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Katy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: A dinner party with Education Secretary Margaret Spellings Reply with quote

You are sitting next to U.S. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings at a dinner party. What do you say to her?

During the next six months, teams of researchers led by Susanna Loeb, a Stanford economist, and funded by four independent, non-partisan foundations, and endorsed by the governor, the state superintendent of instruction and legislators, will pursue a vexing question: What should the state do to ensure that public education in California is adequately and wisely funded?

The studies may suggest a range of options. Action steps will depend on how legislators choose to define an adequate education. How would you describe an adequate education?
1) Satisfying the requirements of the high school exit exam?
2) Proficiency as defined by the No Child Left Behind law?
3) Completing courses required for admission to a four year state college?
4) A well-rounded citizen who can read critically, balance a checkbook, and participate in a democracy?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: democracy Reply with quote

I think participating in a democracy is probably the most important. It requires reading, writing, and math. It requires understanding civics and social issues. It helps to understand persuasion and conflict resolution. History and social studies are a big help, too.

Merely living in a democracy is not as demanding as participating in one, so perhaps an adequate education could be about completing courses and satisifying exam requirements if the requirement was not to actually participate in the democracy.

Today, not enough citizens participate in democracy at the simplest level: voting in every election: local, school boards, municipal, federal. If the vote is about something scientific like stem cell research, it would be helpful to understand scienctific principles. I can't think of anything that a student would learn in a good school that wouldn't help participation in the democracy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tell Margaret Spellings that standardizing education (and trying to make all of education in America the same) is not very democratic. This country was built on diversity, not one model, one size fits all.

I would ask her how much time she spends in successful schools that do not subscribe to the high stakes testing model, but actually teaching children to think for themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who can argue against the concept of No Child Left Behind? I have never heard a really reasoned argument. We need to make sure kids learn in each grade and can move to the next level. It is about logical progression. We need to be competitive with other countries. What is wrong with good education and then passing a test? I say that proficiency is the most important thing because then we know it was an adequate education.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My conversation with Margaret Spelling would be about the unintentional (or intentional??) consequence of closing or stopping the growth of innovative programs and schools as the federal government moves to fund schools using the tests as the only criteria for deciding if the school is doing its job.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry Pak wrote:
Who can argue against the concept of No Child Left Behind? I have never heard a really reasoned argument.

NCLB is a federal mandate that holds local districts accountable with no corresponding federal accountability. What is it that the federal government should be doing to support worthwhile teaching and learning?
Also, one coud argue that NCLB is a mis-matched "remedy" to societal problems that show up in schools. How do higher standardized test scores demonstrate a community's ability to extricate itself from "municipal overburden," i.e. poverty, violence, poor nutrition, lousy healthcare, and/or fewer employment options.
Barry Pak wrote:
We need to make sure kids learn in each grade and can move to the next level. It is about logical progression.

It is debatable if learning is as linear as you suggest. And some would say that a student's experience of subject matter (language arts, science, math, arts, PE, etc.) is at least as valuable then alleged "proficiency" of the subject area. That is, how can an individual use her experience of a subject to enrich her life---and the lives of others? If students are unable to explore individual liberty that is balanced with social responsibility, then why have public schools in the first place?
Barry Pak wrote:
We need to be competitive with other countries.

In what sense? In our ability to act as a kind, compassionate and democratic society? If these are your criteria, then I would agree. How can we structure and assess education towards these aims?
Barry Pak wrote:
What is wrong with good education and then passing a test? I say that proficiency is the most important thing because then we know it was an adequate education.

Again, proficiency in what areas? Proficiency to know oneself? To know others? To know how to communicate, solve problems, celebrate growth, and cooperate with others? To know how to be engaged in a democratic society?
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Spellings Questions Reply with quote

What to say to Margaret Spellings:

I wonder what would happen if prospective outstanding teachers were recruited and funded the same way that we recruit athletes?

I wonder what would happen if we invested in education as a form of "national security" in the sense of promoting democracy within the US, in the same amount that we fund wars abroad?

I wonder would you put your child in a "hard to staff" school where accountability pressures are the greatest?

I wonder whether the outcome at the end of this pendulum swing of increased testing/accountability, will be a radical swing in the other direction?

I wonder...
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: question for Margaret Spellings Reply with quote

Why is educational policy being made by people who are not in the classroom, or at the very least in the schools? In this country, why is it tolerated for policy and laws to be made by people who have either left the classroom or never been in charge of one?
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: local control Reply with quote

To Margaret Spelling:

What is wrong with local control? Why are you moving control in the classroom so far away from the teachers? This seems like the most inefficient and ineffective way to manage education in this country. How will it work?

My thinking: It won't!
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Spellings question Reply with quote

to Ms. Spellings

How much time have you spent in a classroom lately?
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly don't know how education should be funded. It seems complicated and not an easy fix. I don't think it should be funded at the federal level because the money and the control are too far away from the kids. The farther away it gets, the more people who need to be paid who don't work with kids.
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